lift the ban on self-harm talks
i don't support lifting the ban on NSFW content outside of NSFW chats, that is really intrusive and shouldn't be unbanned
i must also preface that I don't support the unbanning of lolicon, shotacon, and guro, that is heavily normalizing of pedophilia and could seriously affect people who have histories involving abuse
however, the ban on self-harm will inevitably lead to people avoiding talking about the issues that affect them. when people are contemplating, it should be obvious that a space in which they can talk about their issues without legal action against them or account suspending, and it's obviously preferable to talk to a group of friends that you know very well as opposed to some impersonal therapist. obviously not going to advocate _never_ talking to professionals, that'd be ridiculous, but for some people having professionals involved could be a huge stressor and it'd inevitably lead to things like parents and others finding out about their issues which could be unsafe or extremely stressing.
i must also note that i am okay with the banning of self-harm advocation, such as the recent trend in "kys" jokes, which could be particularly damaging psychological.
I think the ban is worded very poorly, I don't think they actually want to prevent people from finding support or asking for help, I think they want to prevent people from telling others to go kill themselves or encouraging self-harm. Again, I think that the ban is badly worded, but that also being said... I am not a fan of censorship and I find the ban reactionary anyway.
All in all, I think the ban should be on encouraging self-harm.
Chief Awesome commented
Didn't know this was banned, and it's really pathetic that it is.
We're not children that need to be protected at all costs from the idea that people can be sad.
If someone wants to inform the discord group they created that they're suicidal, that's their prerogative.
I agree with this. It makes it harder for people to discuss their experiences of self-harm to other people. Who knows, it could actually help someone to be able to share those experiences and what not!
A message to discord:
Unless we're doing anything illegal or harmful, leave our private servers be. It's not like we're publicly posting things like gore for example.
As for public servers: Admins can ban users who break any rules for that particular server.
As for DMs: People can block and report users.
There is no need for you to baby sit us. I really hope you don't decide to go a step further; next thing you know you will be banned for talking politics in your own server with friends.
I really have to wonder how you can say "lolicon and shotacon normalize pedophilia" as a slippery slope argument, but then choose to ignore the reasoning for guro. That would imply you don't have any reasoning for it besides "I don't like it", and even pedophilia's argument is extremely weak seeing as places where "underage drawings" were introduced, gave actual pedophiles an outlet rather than going out and raping children.
While this specific website brings up actual child porn, it's effects are clearly recorded as reducing crimerate, and I think it's a safe deduction that drawings are just as capable of fulfilling that role. And to add: Pedophilia is a mental illness, people don't just contract it because they look at vaguely anatomically similar drawings. Even if they did, they still have morals.
On the other hand, it seems apparent your post is mostly related to the title, I think you should separate the two so people can get a clear understanding of what's actually being supported. I agree with everything except maybe the last line. Moderating edgy jokes is going to take discord off into a steep dive of overly moderating, and that can easily be resolved on the server-level among the owners.
I helped a friend through a really tough time with discord that I don't really wanna discuss here but I definitely feel like any ban similar to this should be lifted. It's definitely better to be able to talk about it than to ignore it
Personally I support the unbanning of cartoon underaged NSFW content. Why? It's cartoon and it's fake. It should not be banned and this is an idiotic decision. This doesn't support pedophilia, what are you smoking?
Where does it say that talking about self-harm is against the rules?
"Sharing content or promoting, in general, self-harm or suicide. Don't post content that promotes or glorifies self-harm or suicide. This includes any content that encourages others to: cut or injure themselves; embrace anorexia, bulimia, or other eating disorders; or commit suicide rather than, for example, seeking counseling or treatment. Online communities have the power to lift people up from dark places - be the kind of person who lifts others."
They're saying that encouraging people to harm/kill themselves and sharing self-harm/suicide content will not be tolerated, and that you should encourage them to seek counseling or treatment and be the kind of person that lifts others. Where does it say that you're not allowed to talk about self-harm at all?
@troPSDNUORGWEN, you've never really had much experience with ppl that have depression or suicidal thoughts, have you?
Not being able to talk about it makes it infinitely worse. Lifting the ban will definitely help.
The other day my discord friend tried to kill himself. Nobody knew it was coming. These discussions cant be censored. This needs to change.
Oh, so it's better to force them to keep it all inside, bottling it up and potentially putting themselves at risk to lose control and harm themselves, eh?
You must be fun in support groups.
Maribel Hearn commented
I... what? Is this your first time hearing about venting or something?
Another thing to note, some people can get very sad about talking about their problems in life, and it would be good to have them not talk about it.
Good idea! This could definitely make some people feel less bad about what they have done, and in some cases they might not even hurt themselves, though I'm not entirely sure. This could also get rid of anyone who is faking self-harm, which would be a good way to teach people not to lie.
Maribel Hearn commented
Yes! Yesyesyesyes! Personally, my first go-to place for venting is Discord, because I have a lot of close friends on there who I trust will keep this private and are understanding. Thank god I haven't thought about anything rash like self-harm, but what if someone else is just like me, and is thinking about self-harm? Discord has helped me through a bunch of rough shit, and this self-harm discussion ban probably hurts more than you would honestly think it would.
I've been hospitalized for being suicidal three times. I turned myself in those three times BECAUSE I was able to talk to people not afraid for legal action. Talking to friends online helped me manage being suicidal for years before that.
If you're guaranteed to call authorities if someone bring up self harm or suicidal contemplation, you are NOT a general safe person to come to. It took me years to get around to therapy for being suicidal. Years because calling authorities would have many other repercussions. I would DEFENITELY lost my job and would very likely end up with my abusive family. Any help I would have gotten would be out done by my even worse situation.
It is better to be able to discuss openly. A safe environment to bring it up is really important and will definitely save lives.